Community Meeting: April 2, 2022


Below is a short summary of the latest Community Meeting, followed by its chat logs – which have been gently edited for formatting, to put questions and answers in bold for easy skimming, and to omit greetings and farewells and other such asides.  Meetings are hosted by Estate owner NeoBokrug Elytis at 2:00 pm on the first Saturday of every month at The Potato Farm in The Wastelands, and the discussion is typically divided into three main topics: Estate, Game, and Roleplay & Events.  Everyone is welcome to attend!


➳ Tier prices have been increased by about 6% to help compensate for the sales tax now being applied to service-based fees.
➳ Efforts continue on the Northgate Community Gateway: Neo’s still working on the visual-based HUD and on some of the builds.
➳ Want to contribute? Do you make mesh, textures, or other content? The Wastelands Public Works program is still accepting volunteers!
➳ Rumor has it that Linden Lab is considering adding new types of regions, including an “events” region that allows up to 200 avatars. If any new region types exist and seem viable for The Wastelands, Neo will look into them.
➳ Per a resident’s suggestion, Neo is considering having tier reminders come through IM instead of Local Chat. There were no objections, so he’ll consider it.
➳ Since Flickr has tightened its rules regarding which users can post Moderate and Restricted content, Neo asked whether the The Wastelands in Second Life and/or the Second Life – The Wastelands & Post Apocalyptic groups should be set to Safe content only.
➳ The new Firestorm update seems to keep users from seeing the media at Burnt Oak – but there is a client-side workaround.  Contact Neo for instructions!


➳ Neo inflicted an April Fool’s Day prank where all Common crates contained… well, we can only assume they had once contained beans.
➳ There is another EEP bug where people may see prompts to join The Wastelands Game Experience despite already being part of it.
➳ Game updates are still lower priority than work on Northgate – but are still being worked on when Neo needs a break from those tasks.
➳ Updates still on the agenda include the DoT updates, Wild Plants, the Universal Salvage Script, the Playable Races, and the EXP revamp.
➳ Further EEP updates are on hold until LL squashes more bugs; the DoT updates will be the next fallback focus when not working on Northgate.
➳ Anne Cloud’s new broken moon textures are coming up soon!


➳ The Red Revival, a Ghoulish celebration of life and death in The Wastelands, returns on Saturday, April 23rd!  If you want to DJ – or want to use the occasion to have your character go Ghoul – get in touch with Apo.
➳ And, to help rouse the Ghouls from their sleep, the Red Parade will weave its way through the Wastes at 6pm on Friday, April 22nd.
➳ WL: Eggs will be spawning in nests from Friday the 15th through Sunday the 17th – and Scythejaw will once again have painted Revival Eggs to trade!
➳ Some of the Starfleet roleplayers have been dropping by again.  Those interactions may or may not be canonical – but are often fun!
➳ Reminder: The roleplay character template has been added to the Wiki – add yours today!

Weekly Event Summary:

(All Times SLT)


Brawlers Market Fightclub – Noon (temporary hiatus)
– Storytime with Wasteland Drifter – 2pm
– Gomi’s Garbo Cinematic Expulsion – 5pm


– Mutant Drum Circle – 6pm


– Film Night with Wasteland Drifter – 5pm


– Lillie’s Amuse Bouche – 5pm
– Manimal Madness (née Escape The Miasma! with Soda Foxen) – 6pm


– Unstructured Playtime w/ Dia – 5pm
– Booze & Blather [RP Event] – 6pm


– Sandling’s Evening Madness – 1pm
– Fight Night – 3pm- Apo’s Audio Atrocities – 5pm

First Saturday: Community Meeting – 2pm

Second Saturday: Barrelhead Bazaar [RP Event] – 11am

Third Saturday: Wasted Raiders’ Raid – Noon

Fourth Saturday: Second Second Saturday Skull Ball – 2pm

Want to host an event?  Let Neo know the event details by Wednesday night and he’ll add it to the weekly group announcements, Discord announcement, and Plurk feed!

If you want to keep in touch with other Wastelanders when you can’t be inworld, our Discord server is now public!


NeoBokrug Elytis: Okay! I think we’re going to start. Sandling is still playing music while Community Meeting is happening. :)
Sandling Honey: Yisss :D
Rax Stooge: hahah i went and hung around the star trek peopl the othjer day and they were all very afraid, they went back into their runabout and hid
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Hahaha
NeoBokrug Elytis: As per the usual, we’ll talk about the three main aspects of the estate (land, game, RP & Events), with time for questions in between each major category. The last category is usually an openfloor discussion for all, since residents make all the fun events. :)
Rax Stooge: hotdog
NeoBokrug Elytis: Starting with testate stuff…
Drifter (wastelanddrifter): Maybe they were just worried about interacting with a pre-warp civilization
xrrawva: eState
Rax Stooge: orpost warp, who knows!
Drifter (wastelanddrifter) strokes chin.
Aposiopesis Fullstop peers closely at Drifter’s chin to make sure there’s not a goatee there.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Last month tier prices went up for pretty much the first time ever, the last time they went up was for significant prim use upgrades that everyone got. This time was to somewhat compensate for local sales tax here.
Memory Harker: *nods*
NeoBokrug Elytis: I can’t promise that there won’t be future raises on tier, but I am doing what I can to keep it fair for residents and myself.
NeoBokrug Elytis: We’ll see what happens in meatspace regarding taxes, the economy, and all the other stuff we typically avoid here.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Tin Mans need food, too!
NeoBokrug Elytis: I have heard rumors that LL is working on more different types of region offerings — now that AWS is kind of settled. If they are beneficial and practical, I will do the same thing I did with when the prim upgrades happened; which is ask the potentially affected residents and have a vote about it.
NeoBokrug Elytis: But for now, 30k regions and homesteads for everyone.
NeoBokrug Elytis: I have been playing around with EEP settings more, and finding more bugs that are — sadly unique to our current setup as a multi-region micro-continent.
Rax Stooge: homesteads are like 25 ppl max ye?
NeoBokrug Elytis: The “fixes” I have in place USUALLY, work, but still sometimes don’t.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Yes Rax.
Rax Stooge: a
NeoBokrug Elytis: Full regions are 105 I think with the premium account/estate manager buffer, homesteads are 25.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Normally it’s 100 and 20
Rax Stooge: sweet
NeoBokrug Elytis: i think that’s it for estaet stuff, but I have a question for everyone if they can help me — but first; does anyone have any questions or comments about estate specific things?
NeoBokrug Elytis: Oh, still working on Northgate
Facemelt (hivejunker): i have a question
Facemelt (hivejunker): what is northgate
NeoBokrug Elytis: Hit me
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Hahaha
NeoBokrug Elytis: Ah. We are getting a Community Gateway. It is for new accounts to sign up for SL, and go through a Wastelands version of account registration and orientation.
Facemelt (hivejunker): crikey, thats cool
Memory Harker: We are to be a Noob Toob!
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Hahaha, indeed!
NeoBokrug Elytis: I’m still looking for help with that through the Wastelands Public Works. I want to get the first part done this next month or two. Just so I have something to show LL.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Because we got it a year ago, and have been SLOWLY plugging away at it, but pandemic and all and volunteer schedule makes it hard to get things done.
Facemelt (hivejunker): roger
Aposiopesis Fullstop: I like how these first parts will be so helpful to new users… and, with any remaining prims and such, the final parts will be so, so mean to us.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Once I get the basic orientation done, we’ll open it and start moving on to all the other tasks.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Any other questions about land stuff?
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Is there any more to the new region options than rumor?
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Like, any more-specific rumors about what some of the new region types could be?
NeoBokrug Elytis: Not really. The only thing I heard was there was an option for an “events” region that could possibly hold up to 200 avatars.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Ooooh…
NeoBokrug Elytis: But, at the same time it opens up possibilities for other region types.
Memory Harker reckons LL wants in on that sweet, sweet metaverse live concert action …
Memory Harker: “Diamanda, we knew her WHEN …”
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Hee!
NeoBokrug Elytis: One thing a resident recently suggested to me, was that I have the bot IM them about tier reminders. This way it shows up in a window rather than a local chat message. Is there any particular reason folks would be opposed to that?
Memory Harker: That sounds good to me!
Drifter (wastelanddrifter): Fine with me
NeoBokrug Elytis: The other question I had was, kind of Wastelands related…
NeoBokrug Elytis: A lof of folks take pictures here and Flickr recently changed their maturity rating allowances for account types.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Hmm. IM windows can sometimes get buried – though not as bad as in Ye Olde Days. But it’s not as if Local Chat can’t also get lost in the hubbub, too. IMs capping could be an issue, but… if someone hasn’t logged in so their IMs cap, they wouldn’t be seeing local either?
NeoBokrug Elytis: Bot IMs and Object IMs are part of the same cap.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Are they!
NeoBokrug Elytis: My question about flickr is that … do I need to be aware of doing anything special for our flickr groups? I think I can just leave the main one to allow moderate images, and the “all of SL apocalypse” one to safe.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Or should I make them both “safe”?
Aposiopesis Fullstop: I think having at least one Moderate would be wise. I’ve had it flag a few things as Moderate for no clear reason – a rad pic of Akiko juggling knives got dinged, for instance, and I can only guess it was for the “promoting self-harm” rule? And I think even some of the zombies are too unsafe for Safe.
Memory Harker waves to that Mutsy :)
NeoBokrug Elytis: Hmm.
Drifter (wastelanddrifter): “Promoting self-harm”, eh?
NeoBokrug Elytis: I guess you’re right. It if ever becomes a problem, I think that’s when I will switch to safe.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Moving on to game things
Aposiopesis Fullstop: I’ll need to review their rules about what Moderate really consists of, but maybe even Rax’s Shame Curtain wouldn’t be Safe.
Irk (shannonwilsonbell): “A loincloth implies it’s hiding something…”
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Hahahaha!
Facemelt (hivejunker): oof



NeoBokrug Elytis: Dunno if anyone got any crates yesterday or today. A little gift from me to you. I’ll leave it there until tonight.
Verity Goodnight: which is why Winnie the Pooh is fine
Memory Harker: Well, ya loin something new every day …
Aposiopesis Fullstop: HEY! *rimshot*
Irk (shannonwilsonbell): Laughed a lot at the crates :)
NeoBokrug Elytis: The bug that affects salvage spawn is still there, but LL should have a patch out here in a couple weeks I think.
xrrawva: every person is prove something nsfw happened at some point. inclusing the photographer.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: =o
xrrawva: =o
Drifter (wastelanddrifter): NSFW really depends on what your work is
Facemelt (hivejunker): too true
NeoBokrug Elytis: The EEP issues make me want to bring estate-wide EEP effects to the people who opt in to wear a special HUD, rather than blindly trying to add them.
xrrawva: haha
Memory Harker: What Drifter said.
Mutsy (mutsy.kaligawa): Eep!
NeoBokrug Elytis: Found another bug, that some of you have already experienced, where it asks you to join the Wastelands experience again. Ignore that, it’s SL being dumb. Joining again or not joining again has no effect.
NeoBokrug Elytis: I did not file a JIRA on that because I simply did not have time to do so.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: File a JIRA about how long it takes to file a good JIRA.
Facemelt (hivejunker): if only some more metal men could come and share the load
NeoBokrug Elytis: Found that but in Firestorm too, that makes Burnt Oak not work.
NeoBokrug Elytis thinks
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Didn’t you say there was a workaround for the video issue, though?
NeoBokrug Elytis: I poked aroung at the universal salvage script a bit, because even though we got our region performance back — I put a ton of effort in to that, and it would be beneficial to future region issues. Many scripts I have are still not fully migrated from LSLFOrge to Sublime Text.
Facemelt (hivejunker): brb, clearing up MOAR FRAGGING CAT MESS!!!!!
Aposiopesis Fullstop: But that means you have a cat, though, and that is a goodness. :D
NeoBokrug Elytis: Yeah, it’s a bit of a hacky work-around and I will share it with those who attend Burnt Oak sessions, but the simplest and safest work-around is to just get VLC and watch it in another window while SL is going on in the background.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: BUT MY IMMERSION.
NeoBokrug Elytis: I haven’t had a lot of contract work in the past year, so I have been doing non-SL work, which means I haven’t been in SL as much as I want to be. I am not getting as much game stuff done as I want to. I still have to leverage the new DoTs system that’s done but doing literally nothing. I still have to work on Wild Plants. I still have to make the universal Salvage Script a thing, and I still have to work on Northgate. Right now my focus is on Northgate.
NeoBokrug Elytis: If I am not in the mood for it I will work on DoTs, as I am rather tired of trying to get the EEP region settings to cooperate. Anne Cloud has a WIP set of textures done. So we should have a new moon soon-ish. :)
Aposiopesis Fullstop: !
NeoBokrug Elytis: But after that I am going to take a break until LL fixes a bug or two.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: MOON PARTY.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Or I brain a new way to apply EEP setting without glitching the viewer.
Memory Harker: Luna tricks!
NeoBokrug Elytis: Because that work around works about 95% of the time, until it doesn’t.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Any questions about game stuff?
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Oh, I had one I asked you the other day, but I want to put it here, as well, so I remember it for the future.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Oh, and that temp-attach bug that keeps me from adding DoT effects is still an issue.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: As part of the Playable Race system, will we be able to have race-specific blood splats, too? Blue for Mutants, grey / brown ichor for Ghouls, green for Botans? :D
NeoBokrug Elytis: In theory yes, but I dunno if that’s top priority for me.
Sandling Honey: Thanks Facemelt! :D
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Haha, well, yeah. I just wondered if it was even a theoretically-possible thing.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Gosh, you made me remember that (which is mostly done), and EXP revamp, which is not at all done.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Is there a JIRA for that temp-attach bug, though? That’s irksome (no offense, Irk.)
NeoBokrug Elytis: Too many things. :)
NeoBokrug Elytis: Kind of, I voiced my concerns in another related bug, and I asked about it at the Linden Meeting.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Feel like I need to add an Outstanding JIRAs section to the Community Meeting logs.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: “Did you like the idea of that thing? Would you like to grasp LL gently about the shoulders and shake them until they make it work? Click here!”


NeoBokrug Elytis: Okay. I think I am going to open the floor for roleplay and events discussion — but before I do I want to let everyone know that if you’re ever interested in hosting an event, and/or want some help/advice about it all; you can ask me or Apo. We’ve got enough events under our belt to pretend to be an informative authority about running them.
Facemelt (hivejunker): more lore about metal men please
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Hahaha, it’s true! And, speaking of both Roleplay AND Events…
Aposiopesis Fullstop: THE RED REVIVAL returns on Saturday, April 23! Be a Ghoul for a day – or forever – in this festering festival of media, music, mushrooms, and mayhem! If you’d like to DJ, or if you’re an RPer who wants to use this as an opportunity to go Ghoul, let me know and things can be arranged.
Irk (shannonwilsonbell) grabs a torch.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Haha
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Oh, and posters exist, but aren’t up yet.
Memory Harker recalls seeing Fantastic Planet at the Revival last year, when Maya went Ghoul — such a good time, all day long!
Aposiopesis Fullstop: :D
Irk (shannonwilsonbell): I couldn’t feel past the colors all day.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: I haven’t picked this year’s trippy movie yet, but I’m narrowing it down.
NeoBokrug Elytis: WL: EGGS and Scythejaws trade will be happening on the Friday to Sunday weekend of easter. So keep an eye out for nests spawning.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: EGGS!
Verity Goodnight: egggggs
Aposiopesis Fullstop: I still want to know what they hatch into. :V
NeoBokrug Elytis: Birds, Lizards, both?
Irk (shannonwilsonbell): Omelets!
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Bird Dragons!
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Hahaha!
NeoBokrug Elytis: Platipii ?
Facemelt (hivejunker): snow storms!
Aposiopesis Fullstop: What a thing a WL: Platypus would be.
Facemelt (hivejunker): oh i mean blizzards
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Hah!
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Anyone wanting a weekly roleplay fix can still hit up Booze & Blather on Thursday evenings at 6pm SLT; for longer and earlier but monthlier, there’s the Barrelhead Bazaar at 11am on the second Saturday.
NeoBokrug Elytis: For the things I haven been lurking at, the Doktor has been making rounds. He’s a character…
NeoBokrug Elytis: I feel like he and Aeg should have a rap battle or something.
Irk (shannonwilsonbell): hahah!
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Hahaha
Aposiopesis Fullstop: But they have so much in common. They should be great friends. :V
Irk (shannonwilsonbell): They at least go to the same parties.
NeoBokrug Elytis: I always felt like their personalities were 100% diametrically opposed.
Irk (shannonwilsonbell): Which makes them perfect for each other!
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Hahaha, yessss!
Facemelt (hivejunker): like me ex wife, heyo
Memory Harker: Your ex wife used to go to parties with the Doktor and Aeg?
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Haha!
Facemelt (hivejunker): probably
Facemelt (hivejunker): slut
Memory Harker is now REALLY confused about the game aspects of the WL …
Aposiopesis Fullstop: HAH!
NeoBokrug Elytis: Anyone else have any events or RP things to contribute?
Memory Harker reels.
NeoBokrug Elytis: In a few minutes we’ll head south to The Great Fissure to have Warzone (hopefully). :)
Aposiopesis Fullstop: I think all the other usual unusuals are still afoot! Dunno about Lillie or Soda’s Wednesday things, though…
Irk (shannonwilsonbell): Monday is Mutant Drumming, always and forever.
Memory Harker: Okay, here’s a question!
Facemelt (hivejunker): that sounds like a cc thing, is that a cc thing?
Memory Harker: About tier?
Memory Harker: So it’s out of sequence, my query, but …
Irk (shannonwilsonbell): Mutant Drumming is just Wastelanders getting together to hang out
NeoBokrug Elytis: Sure. Hit me.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: It is a delightful Irk thing! It would be up Ccindy’s alley, too, if not for time zones, I’m sure.
Sandling Honey: Annnnd done :D
Irk (shannonwilsonbell): Thanks, Sandling!
Memory Harker: So I paid four weeks in advance … but that was four weeks in advance a couple weeks ago .. so, there’s a difference in what I paid and what the new cost will be, due to the tax, yes?
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Thanks, Sandling! :D
NeoBokrug Elytis: Yes.
NeoBokrug Elytis: If you paid eary, you reap the benefits of paying early.
Memory Harker: I should like to pay that difference, too, in any case!
NeoBokrug Elytis: Meh. Keep it.
Memory Harker: Pffffft, not at the cost to YOU and the WL, Mr. Tin Man.
NeoBokrug Elytis: Because there was once a point where I reduced tier a little, and folks who paid in advance lost out a little.
NeoBokrug Elytis: So it’s fair.
Memory Harker considers a workaround, will just tip Apo bigger this night.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: D:
Memory Harker: BWA HA HA HA
Memory Harker: <—maniac
Aposiopesis Fullstop: There IS a well-hidden tip plate in the Bunker, mind.
Verity Goodnight: ooh
Memory Harker: Ah HA!
NeoBokrug Elytis: All of that goes to the devs, all but me. :)
Aposiopesis Fullstop: BAH
Verity Goodnight: is this like an easter plater hunt?
Memory Harker: *smiles craftily* (But not as well as Drifter smiling craftily.
NeoBokrug Elytis: BWAHAHA
Aposiopesis Fullstop: NEO
Aposiopesis Fullstop: SHUT UP AND TAKE OUR MONEy
NeoBokrug Elytis: Patreon.
Drifter (wastelanddrifter) smiles craftily.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: (Speaking of, even more tangentially, I maaaay have a merch thing happening sometime?)
NeoBokrug Elytis: Anyway. War Zone.
Aposiopesis Fullstop: WAR ZOOOOONE!
Aposiopesis Fullstop: Thankye, Neo!
Beatrix (beatrix.washborne): yayyyyyyy!!!
Memory Harker: Ooooh.
Memory Harker: See y’all later, gotta RL SOME WACK SHIT.
NeoBokrug Elytis: I hope to see some of you there. This month has been a bit anemic with WWIII going on and all — si Understand if people are out of SL.
Facemelt (hivejunker): i’m going to remember that speaking of Apo
Aposiopesis Fullstop: BAH, RL.
Facemelt (hivejunker): it will not be forgotten]
xrrawva: zone wars
NeoBokrug Elytis: But we’ll try to drum up an event!